Re: [DIYbio] Fwd: The institutionalization of OSHW

Thanks Michael. You make good points about fossil fuel exhaust vs nuclear residue... I've heard similar arguments recently,  and it makes sense to me.

On Sep 29, 2012 11:28 PM, "Michael Turner" <michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com> wrote:
> Was anyone considering the immense social and environmental impact OSHW has
> already had by influencing the decision of an entire country to stop using
> nuclear power?

Ahem. There's been no real decision, just a lot of talk.

Japan's immediate post-quake reactor shutdowns were complete on May 5th, 2011

   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17967202

At that point, Safecast's bGeigie Kickstarter campaign wasn't even over yet:

  http://blog.safecast.org/2011/05/kickstarter-success/

In Japan, the decision to restart is up to localities, not the "entire
country". A few reactors have been restarted. And some localities are
pushing for resumption of nuclear power production.

  http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201209190076
  http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201209290048

Safecast data largely ratified the coarser-grained government
readings. If the Japanese government lacked a data collection network
as fine-grained, at least part of the "blame" might be attributed to
... a sense of proportion. After all, it took a seismic event that
killed 20,000 people in one day to cause a nuclear pollution event
that might take the lives of only about 200 people over a period of
decades. In the meantime, much of the panic here was related to
absurdly conservative Japanese radiation standards. In Scandinavia,
which is not exactly a public-health-policy hell-hole, meat is
considered safe for sale at 5,000 Bq/kg. In Japan, the standard is 500
Bq/kg. Some Shizuoka tea was pulled from distribution networks because
of a radiation reading that would have left it quite acceptable for
sale in the U.S. -- even *without* considering the dilution that tea
ordinarily undergoes to become a beverage.

Safecast has since expanded into conventional air-quality monitoring.
Perhaps they'll help the Japanese understand how much more fossil fuel
is being burned now, with almost all the nukes still off, and
renewables still very far from closing the gap. Unfortunately, CO2
doesn't show up as an air-quality pollutant at all. It just kills
people through climate change effects that, in the longer run, will be
be much more disastrous for people in developing countries.

Custom manufacturing of parts, taken to a certain level, lends itself
to custom manufacturing of some parts that are very exotic indeed. For
example, the components of nuclear weapons. DIYbio could lend itself
to biological WMD.

There are two edges to the blade. As with any technology.

Regards,
Michael Turner
Project Persephone
1-25-33 Takadanobaba
Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 169-0075
(+81) 90-5203-8682
turner@projectpersephone.org
http://www.projectpersephone.org/

"Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry


On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Andrew Stone <stone@toastedcircuits.com>
> Date: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Discuss] The institutionalization of OSHW
> To: The Open Source Hardware Association Discussion List
> <discuss@lists.oshwa.org>
>
>
> I hear your frustration Phillip.  Its doubly hard to hear criticism from
> people who are not wrestling with the problems you are dealing with.  Like I
> said in my OP I certainly respect pragmatic decisions and appreciate all
> OSHW, even fragments!  As I implied in my OP, if closing a small subset
> eliminates 99% of the knockoffs but only 1% of the enhancers then maybe it
> is a reasonable tradeoff.
>
> But what really needs to be said about OSHW is that prior discussions were
> along the lines of practicum -- that is "I want to open everything but the
> tools do not allow me.  When they do I will..."
>
> At the summit it seemed we were hearing "its bad for business to open
> everything".
>
> This transformation in motivation needed to be addressed I think.
>
>
> "Someone in this room will build a billion dollar business" was picked up
> and repeated several times by other speakers as if that was what we were all
> planning and striving for...
>
> Was anyone considering the immense social and environmental impact OSHW has
> already had by influencing the decision of an entire country to stop using
> nuclear power?  And by accurately charting the environmental effects of
> industrial disasters?  Or did those talks get ignored in the scramble stake
> a claim in the OSHW gold rush? :-)
>
> Yes Catarina, Michael, I hope people do think about it and vote with their
> pocketbooks... but I think you may want to stop a moment and consider why
> many votes aren't weighted by net worth.
>
> And the rest of us may want to seriously consider releasing our
> contributions with strong share-alike requirements...
>
> Cheers!
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:58 PM, phillip torrone <pt@oreilly.com> wrote:
>>
>> i usually try to say companies "making and selling open source hardware"
>> when i write about companies folks should support if they like to see more
>> oshw in the world. i don't think it's ever going to be possible to be a 100%
>> open source hardware company and i'm also not sure 100% open source hardware
>> can exist for some people too.
>>
>> what we have is a desire to share and be open, more is happening, it's
>> good :)
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Michael James
>> <michael@opensourcehardwarejunkies.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am a bit confused when people say Open Source Hardware Company.
>> >
>> > Any company can sell OSHW.  The OSHW designation applies to devices not
>> > business entities.
>> >
>> > Radio Shack carries Open Source Hardware - good for them I say and for
>> > OSHW.
>> >
>> > If a company wants to sell open and close source - power to them.  If
>> > their customer base feels alienated they can (and will) vote with their
>> > wallets.
>> >
>> > -Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Catarina Mota
>> > <catarina@openmaterials.org> wrote:
>> > I'm seriously sleep deprived, so take this with a grain of salt :)
>> >
>> > Perhaps we should stop using the expression "OSHW company." Otherwise,
>> > we'll end up having to determine what percentage of a business's products
>> > must be OHSW for that company to be considered open source. We don't need a
>> > company certification process, not right now I think.
>> >
>> > While I agree that some people behaved shamefully last week, let's keep
>> > in mind that they're a handful of individuals. Yesterday we stuffed almost
>> > 500 people in a warehouse to discuss controversial issues and everyone (as
>> > far as know) behaved beautifully. So much so that the Eyebeam team
>> > complimented us on being unusually friendly, respectful and upbeat. Many
>> > sponsors, speakers and attendees showed up early (some of them were 2 days
>> > early) and, instead of taking a seat, rolled up their sleeves and started
>> > deploying chairs and picking up trash - yup, we put CEOs on trash duty :)
>> > The outpour of love and support in our inbox and twitter stream today has
>> > been one of the most moving things I've experienced. So while we can't
>> > condone rudeness and disrespect, we should also celebrate the majority that
>> > is so kind and supportive.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:04 PM, phillip torrone <pt@oreilly.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > 2 weeks ago i got the usual once-a-month "purity" email from some random
>> > person saying "you're not open source because you use quickbooks, or
>> > windows, or EAGLE" etc.. but now this week adafruit along with sparkfun is
>> > back to being a "good example of an open source hardware" company.
>> >
>> > i read your post and you say "Ok fine, I understand the need to
>> > discourage knock-offs.  But if you do this you are NOT 100% Open Source
>> > Hardware." -
>> >
>> > ok, but really, who is or isn't open source enough this week?
>> >
>> > is sparkfun 100%, is adafruit 100%, what about EMSL? they have a kit
>> > that's not OSHW, so does everyone else who i consider an oshw company. are
>> > we pure enough?
>> >
>> > our company statement, actually, limor's is "we're going to keep
>> > shipping OSHW while everyone argues about open source hardware". we're going
>> > to keep doing open source, we'll show that's an amazing cause and an amazing
>> > business, smart people will want to join us.
>> >
>> > last week the most vocal voices in the open source 3d printing community
>> > didn't inspire anyone to want to join their cause, in fact a 3d printer
>> > maker told me "wow, glad we never did (or will do open source). that's the
>> > worst thing i think, people steering clear of open source because of a
>> > "damned if you do, damned if you don't?
>> >
>> > i really don't know what's next, but i'm thinking about. for now,  i'm
>> > really excited about the OSHWA, because they're a group of people that has
>> > the mission to celebrate OSHW companies, i'd like to know i can work hard
>> > and someone *else* is going to say "these folks are doing OSHW, support
>> > them".
>> >
>> > i'm going to do my best to get them members and help them celebrate
>> > oshw.
>> >
>> > join in :)
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > pt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 28, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Stone <stone@toastedcircuits.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > As I listened to the OSHW summit speakers, I felt a pretty disturbing
>> > trend towards closing aspects of some products, and "yes-sirring" both real
>> > and "fake" regulatory bodies (as opposed to reluctantly complying) by the
>> > well-regarded members of our community.  And then of course there were lots
>> > of great presentations of cool stuff that completely disregarded all that.
>> > >
>> > > Looks like some of us are growing up :-(.  Did you feel that way?
>> > >
>> > > My full blog posting:
>> > > http://effluviaofascatteredmind.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-institutionalization-of-oshw.html
>> > >
>> > > Cheers!
>> > > Andrew
>> > >
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